I tried to learn coding without line numbers, it looks nicer, kinda like Batch
File code, but I am so used to using GOTO & GOSUB that I stuck puting line numbers in things I wrote.
I know enuf to make me dangerous.

I always thought of BASIC as having/needing line numbers. The first BASIC
I learned was TI-BASIC and it relied pretty heavily on the GOTO and GOSUB statements.

Mike

* SLMR 2.1a * We're lost, yes.....but we're making good time.

It was Commodore 64 BASIC for the first PC I had in March 1984.
But I went to a Radio Shack Store and typed in a program on the demo TRS-80 Module 1 there.
The prg displayed a Star pattern on the screen.

I. can't remember which magazine the prg was in.
It was either Popular Electronics or Radio-Electronics.
I have indexes for those old magazines, and have thumbed thru a lot of the mags but never found that prg.

When I typed it in, the prg needed editing in one line B4 it put the star on the monitor.

I miss the local Radio Shack Store(s).

Bought many Books and Parts to build circuits I saw to see what they did.
Spent mucho $$$$$$$$'s.

Did You do that too?

Ed

It was Commodore 64 BASIC for the first PC I had in March 1984.
But I went to a Radio Shack Store and typed in a program on the demo TRS-80 Module 1 there.
The prg displayed a Star pattern on the screen.

I can remember when Radio Shack, and others, had computers out that you
could interact with like that. That was fun.

I miss the local Radio Shack Store(s).

Bought many Books and Parts to build circuits I saw to see what they did. Spent mucho $$$$$$$$'s.

Did You do that too?

No I never did do that, but I would buy (or receive) 50/100-in-1 kits where
you could use the included wires, resistors, etc., to build various
circuits and projects by following the instructions. My favorie was
probably the AM radio, odd because I already had at least one of those but being able to tune in a radio station on someting I wired up was neat.

The connections were all temporary... you'd take them apart to build
something else.

Mike

* SLMR 2.1a * Reward for a job well done: more work.

A friend copied the 50 in 1 by mounting components he bought at either Radio Shack or P. I. Burks.
The leads from those components were connected to Fahnstock Clips so he could wire the components to make different projects as You did.

Besides a AM Radio do You remember if a Crystal Radio was in the 50 in 1 kit
At DuPont Manual High School I built a Crystal Radio.
Instead of the crystal and wire I got a 1N34 Diode so I wouldn't have to wiggle the wire to find a sensitive spot on the crystal.
Being very close to WLOU 1350 I could get on the radio was WLOU.
It did better when I had it at home.
I made the crystal set in 1958.

IBM did have an office near the school , but back then their computer filled up a room.
No, I didn't see one of those back then, I just remember the Bus going by their Office on 4th Street near Central Park and hearing friends at school talk about stuff like that.
I didn't get interested in computer(s) until a friend showed me his Commodore PET.
PET= Personal Electronic Transactor - if I remember correctly.
My friends wanted Me to get an Apple ][ like they had but I liked the cost of the C=64 better.
Apple ][ cost around $800, I paid about $550 for the C=64, Floppy Drive and 300baud Modem at K-Mart..
Ed

Besides a AM Radio do You remember if a Crystal Radio was in the 50 in 1 kit At DuPont Manual High School I built a Crystal Radio.
Instead of the crystal and wire I got a 1N34 Diode so I wouldn't have to wiggl
the wire to find a sensitive spot on the crystal.
Being very close to WLOU 1350 I could get on the radio was WLOU.
It did better when I had it at home.
I made the crystal set in 1958.

In the kit I had, there was not a crystal radio. There was an "experiment"
to build a morse-code machine... it had a single key you could tap to make
the letters and hear the clicks on the speaker... and a few that would
cause various lights to come on. I forget what the rest of them were
supposed to do.

IBM did have an office near the school , but back then their computer filled u
a room.
No, I didn't see one of those back then, I just remember the Bus going by thei
Office on 4th Street near Central Park and hearing friends at school talk abou
stuff like that.

I was amazed at how much powerful and yet smaller in size the mainframes got during my time working with one. They still took up multiple cabinets
c1997 but by c2012 they only took up one. That was the last time I saw the mainframe we use but heard it is now even smaller.

I didn't get interested in computer(s) until a friend showed me his Commodore PET.
PET= Personal Electronic Transactor - if I remember correctly.
My friends wanted Me to get an Apple ][ like they had but I liked the cost of the C=64 better.
Apple ][ cost around $800, I paid about $550 for the C=64, Floppy Drive and 300baud Modem at K-Mart..

Aside from seeing them on sci-fi shows <grin>, I did not get real
interested in them until a friend was talking a lot about his. Shortly thereafter, we got the TI 99. I don't know how much it cost, but I think
by that time they were cheaper than the Commodores, and may have been near
the end of their manufacture.

The Apple products are always more expensive. In my adult life, I have
felt like that a good part of that expense goes towards being a member of
their "exclusive club" and less towards them being better than the
competition.

Mike

* SLMR 2.1a * What does "File Allocation Table bad" mean?

Back in the 70's I played a bit with a TI-99 in a department store.
If I recall correctly that PC didn't use CTRL P or Shift P to print to screen, Function Key down P let me print hello or my name on the screen .

I can only think of one of my friends owning a TI-99/4.
(I remembered to add the slant four to the Model Name finally).
.
My thoughts are the Texas Instruments 99/4 cost nearly $1000 USD when they first came into the stores.
Like all of the other Home PCs they dropped in price a few years later.

I am guessing because I can't recall now, but the first C=64 that I got cost about $180.00.
Much later I got a C=64C for $100.00 .
I bought it because it had a floppy disk for the GEOS O/S and I wanted to try GEOS out.

Back then when I bought a Program or a Game, I would make a copy on another floppy that I would use.
I didn't want to use the Original Disk because I was afraid something could happen to the original and I wouldn't be able to Run that Program/Game anymore.

Corrupting a spare floppy is safer than losing the one I paid for.

(I could make a copy of the Original Disk on another blank disk).
YEP I'm CHEEP!!!!!

Ed

One mother thought about that GEOS floppy.

I never got to use it because my Copy Program couldn't make a Back Up to another floppy disk, and I was afraid I might ruin it if I went ahead and Ran the GEOS software.

Although I had a friend at Church who ran GEOS , he even got a Mouse for his system.
Ed

Back then when I bought a Program or a Game, I would make a copy on another floppy that I would use.
I didn't want to use the Original Disk because I was afraid something could happen to the original and I wouldn't be able to Run that Program/Game anymore

Corrupting a spare floppy is safer than losing the one I paid for.

Yes, I remember doing that plenty. Once upon a time, I even had some
things where I created two spares just in case. ;)

(I could make a copy of the Original Disk on another blank disk).
YEP I'm CHEEP!!!!!

I suspect a lot of us who were computing back in the time were in that category.

Mik

* SLMR 2.1a * Mind like a steel trap - rusted shut!

Although I had a friend at Church who ran GEOS , he even got a Mouse for his system.

Several years back, there was a GEOS clone for the PC. Maybe more than
one. I played around some with something called GeoWorks but couldn't find
a use case for it. IIRC, there may have also been an open source project
aimed at cloning GEOS on the PC.

I never saw it run on native hardware, though.

Mike

* SLMR 2.1a * I used to have a life, now I have a modem.

OH How I wish I could steal That TAGLINE.
I saw a Bluetooth device months ago that showed a cat5 female connector in the picture for it.
I didn't bookmark the page, and Searching again for that device has failed. Tried searches with and without quote marks, with cat5 or Ethernet in them but the search(s) find mostly Wi-Fi Bluetooth things, which "I" don't want.

Computing IS fun ... Nah! Sometimes
Ed
P.S.. the device I saw also may have Wi-Fi, but it didn't show a USB connected in the illustration.
I know, The Problem is All In Ed's Head (C) TM.
Ed

I have GeoWorks on my XP box.
Have only used the word editor portion a little.

My friend let Me have a go at editing a image he made.
I goofed and moved the mouse with a button down and learned that GEOS Saved the new edit.
My friend restored his graphic.

I was very surprised to see that program doing a automatic update.
All I was/am used to is Saving what I'm doing occasionally with the CTRL S shortcut.
GEOS caused my jaw to drop that day.
But like my saying "Here on Earth computers Alway win because they have Inside Information" , it happened to Me then.

Hope Your Computers are behaving.
Ed

The Tagline I was referring to was the one about the Steel Trap Rusted Shut.
I wasn't clear in my earlier reply.
I certainly can identify with that Tagline and wish I could GRAB IT on this phone, guess I will have to turn the XP on and EDit my Tagline File.
Or maybe first search to see if it is already in there.
Ed

I didn't see a Tagline with Rusted Shut in it.
Several mentioned Steel but none with the Rusted Shut phrase in them.
Thanks for letting Me see one that I thought worthy to be included in the TAGLINE file of my favorites.
Ed

Sorry about the blank message.
Instead of me tapping on the icon to get to the last message in this string, I tapped the icon to reply to your message.

You would think that since I have a blank mind, I would know how to edit or kill the blank area, but not
Still learning.

Thanks to Rob, Digital Man I learned what those icons do.
Tho I still forget what the middle one does.
And I have no idea what forum he wrote that reply to me.
All I can say is DUH
Ed

I didn't bookmark the page, and Searching again for that device has failed. Tried searches with and without quote marks, with cat5 or Ethernet in them but
the search(s) find mostly Wi-Fi Bluetooth things, which "I" don't want.

Computing IS fun ... Nah! Sometimes
Ed
P.S.. the device I saw also may have Wi-Fi, but it didn't show a USB connected
in the illustration.
I know, The Problem is All In Ed's Head (C) TM.

It might be mostly in your head. ;) I used to worry about wi-fi but these days they have pretty good encryption and you can set as strong a password
as you want. You can also disable the guest account on the router to keep others out.

Mike

* SLMR 2.1a * In Stereo where available. .elbaliava erehw oeretS nI

The Tagline I was referring to was the one about the Steel Trap Rusted Shut. I wasn't clear in my earlier reply.
I certainly can identify with that Tagline and wish I could GRAB IT on this phone, guess I will have to turn the XP on and EDit my Tagline File.
Or maybe first search to see if it is already in there.

It could be in there already. I am pretty sure it "came with" one of the
QWK readers I use, either SLMR or Multimail.

Mike


* SLMR 2.1a * Midget soothsayer robs bank! Small medium at large....

Thanks for the assurance about Wi-Fi encryption, from some of the things I have been reading it seems Wi-Fi and Bluetooth share the same area of Frequencies.
I think both have 802. something number for each service.

Today, I looked thru all of the Welcome messages to see who hassigned on. Seeing a Penguin used for your Avatar made me wonder about Your choosing a Bird from the REAL DEEP SOUTH.
Ed

Last night I found the Rusted Shut phrase in a file I made in 2023.

To narrow it down to find the TAGLINE file that one was in I went to a CMD prompt and typed: dir /s/-p >> C:\Taglines.txt , then looked through the file I made to see where there was a really large file to use Vernon Bergs LIST.COM to look through that file by searching for the word rust .

I know I do things convoluted but that's how I am.

It has been years since I turned the C=64 On.
Wondering when was the last time the TI-99/4 was woke up?
Ed

Today, I looked thru all of the Welcome messages to see who hassigned on. Seeing a Penguin used for your Avatar made me wonder about Your choosing a Bir
from the REAL DEEP SOUTH.

It is the linux penguin. ;)

It has been years since I turned the C=64 On.
Wondering when was the last time the TI-99/4 was woke up?

It would have been before the pandemic. I had to repurpose its place on
that desk for my new work-from-home office. ;)

Mike

* SLMR 2.1a * Hold on! Doesn't NT mean NinTendo ?

It isn't a Linux penguin, just a graphic image.
I could take a photo of it with my camera and then use this phone to snap an image of the photo, then ask a friend how to attach it to a Email to You.

Ain't done that kind of stuff yet.

The graphic is cute.

Ed

It isn't a Linux penguin, just a graphic image.
I could take a photo of it with my camera and then use this phone to snap an image of the photo, then ask a friend how to attach it to a Email to You.

Ain't done that kind of stuff yet.

The graphic is cute.

I know what it looks like. :D Thanks!

Mike


* SLMR 2.1a * Cats remind us that not everything in Nature has purpose.